Impossible? Why are there no cheap $40k new full-size trucks

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June 9, 2025
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Ram CEO Tim Kuniskis was recently asked why he couldn’t build a cheap $40k new full-size truck, and he said several factors forced his hand. Is it really that impossible?

Cheap $40k new full-size trucks

There’s no doubt the automotive industry has an affordability problem.

For the past decade, truck prices have grown each year incrementally and now the average transaction price for a new full-size truck regularly exceeds $50,000. 

That isn’t to say there aren’t cheaper versions, known as stripped-down models or work truck versions with rubber floor mats and bench seats available, however, they all retail for around $40,000 with some cheaper at times with incentives. After all the paperwork is signed, you are over the $40,000 price tag.

Impossible to hit the $40k new full-size truck price tag?

Why is that? Why is it so hard to build a cheap, affordable full-size truck? Is it corporate greed? The UAW’s higher wages?

Ram’s CEO Tim Kuniskis pointed out other factors.

“Because I’d lose money.” Kuniskis said in response to a question on why he can’t build one. “I try and sell a light-duty truck with the technology we have in it with the federally mandated requirements we have in it, with everything we have in that truck today, and what am I going to strip out? Get a Tradesman today, and you tell me what I am going to strip out? What am I going to strip out of a Tradesman today to get to that price point? I’m going to save a $1k maybe? I can’t get to $40,000. I can’t. I just can’t do it. I’d love to.”

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The Tradesman is Ram’s work truck and it has a starting MSRP of $40,275 for a double cab, 2WD without a $2,000 destination fee.

He talks about the technology and the federally mandated requirements. 

For technology, the Tradesman has the most basic technology on any truck offered today. If you strip that out to roll-up windows, manual locks and AM/FM radio, customers won’t buy it. Ford learned that lesson and they discontinued their last truck with those options years ago. It cost them more to offer it than they made on selling it.

Mandatory safety equipment

Next, let’s discuss the mandatory safety equipment. What does that entail? 

This mandatory safety equipment is on your vehicle:

  • Seat belts 
  • Air bags
  • Latch car seat attachments
  • Tire pressure monitoring systems
  • Backup camera
  • EV and hybrid sounds
  • Rear seatbelt reminders

If you don’t think safety matters for full-size truck buyers, then you haven’t been paying attention lately. 

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) and the National Highway Safety Administration (NHTSA) have both been ramping up their crash testing on the ever popular full-size truck category making it harder for manufacturers to achieve their highest safety rating and customers are watching.

Consumers are regularly cross-shopping trucks based on safety rating since they have now become dual-purpose vehicles hauling families and operating as a work vehicle. Safety and the safety rating are a big deal.

This means where things like two air bags used to be sufficient, now they need four or five. They also need to redesign part of the truck’s front end for the new front crash test, and there’s a new test for a rear-seat occupant that is sure to add to the truck’s price in the future.

Emissions equipment

What about emissions equipment? The Environmental Protection Agency is to blame here right? They are forcing automakers to adopt ridiculous fuel economy standards that are causing engines to become more complex and raising prices. That’s the collective wisdom these days you’ll read online. 

When you dig into it, there’s a lot of historical reasons we are now where we are in terms of emissions. 

Looking back, the first emissions rules put in place happened after the 1979 Iran Oil Crisis leading to a sharp drop in oil production. This led to the U.S. government to create the first Corporate Average Fuel Economy law (CAFE), which are federal mandates setting fuel economy standards for automakers to follow. If automakers don’t meet the fuel economy standards, they pay fines. 

The idea behind this law was to reduce our dependence on foreign oil consumption. If vehicles use less fuel, then we would import less oil. Burning less emissions was a side effect of this law. 

Over the years, various presidential administrations revamped CAFE regulations with either an aim to improve fuel efficiency or to improve emissions. Each time, they focused their intent on saving the American family money by reducing how much fuel they bought each year. The thinking was if the vehicle was more fuel efficient, you’d save more money each year no matter how much more expensive the vehicle became to purchase. 

There have also been U.S. Supreme Court decisions to regulate greenhouse gas emissions that also forced the EPA to add regulating those emissions to the CAFE rules. 

The emissions equipment that have been added to gas and diesel equipment over the years include many things like:

  • Catalytic converter
  • Diesel oxidation catalyst 
  • Engine gas recirculation 
  • Positive crankcase ventilation 
  • Oxygen sensors
  • Engine computers

Then there are things automakers have chosen to do, not mandated by the EPA, to meet fuel economy requirements:

  • Turbochargers
  • Hybrid systems
  • Direct injection
  • Cylinder deactivation
  • Auto start/stop systems
  • Multi-speed transmissions
  • Aluminum alloy engine blocks

Also, automakers have chosen to cut weight off their vehicles through using different metals like aluminum on hoods, tailgates and doors and high-strength steel in places on the frame. 

All of these changes add to the truck’s overall cost.

Profit margin

Can’t make money on a $40,000 truck? That’s the comment I keep hearing. The real answer is corporate greed. 

The profit margin in automotive is understood to be 10% with some luxury brands being higher. Dealerships make around 1-2% on new vehicle sales with most profit being made on service and selling extended warranties. 

That 10% margin applies to a truck whether it is sold for $40,000 or $100,000. It doesn’t change. The fancy interior, the blingy exterior, the bigger wheels and tires found on the luxury trucks aren’t free. They all cost money. 

Our take

If it was all about profit, automakers wouldn’t even build a $41,000 work truck to be honest. They would just build luxury trucks. They would just sell less of them to make up for the lost volume, so that argument doesn’t work.

Blame the EPA? Sure why not. That seems like a popular thing to do these days. They are just mandated by whatever law Congress passes, the Supreme Court rules on or the direction of the president forces them to act. 

Mad about the mandatory safety equipment you don’t need? Sure. That’s just where we are, and it’s not going backwards. I’m quite certain we are going to see even more mandatory safety equipment added in future years.

IMO, when you take it all into consideration, it is actually quite impressive that there’s still a full-size truck available for less than $50,000. With the amount of mandatory safety and emissions equipment plus the various other factors, it should be more expensive when you think about it.

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Ram CEO Tim Kuniskis was recently asked why he couldn’t build a cheap $40k new full-size truck and he said several factors forced his hand. Is it really that impossible? Cheap $40k new full-size truck There’s no doubt the automotive industry has an affordability problem. For the past decade, truck prices have grown each year incrementally and now the average transaction price for a new full-size truck regularly exceeds $50,000. That isn’t to say there aren’t cheaper versions known as stripped-down models or work truck versions with rubber floor mats and bench seats available, however, they all retail for around […] (read full article...)

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Part of the reason is Ram only sells crew cabs, I would think that adds a one or two thousand dollars to the price right there.

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I has to be a very vocal minority that wants a cheap full size truck. As you've mentioned I read about it in the comments every day but they just don't sell or didn't sell when offered.

But I also chuckle at the thought of a large corporation not making any decisions from a "greed" standpoint lol.

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Part of the reason is Ram only sells crew cabs, I would think that adds a one or two thousand dollars to the price right there.

They sell quad cabs. Nobody was buying regular cabs. I hardly ever see them. Dealers tell me they are a really hard sell.

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In a 5 year span from 2019-2024 The CEO of Stellantis compensation went from 8.6 million (Manley 2019) euros per year to 40 million, a little more in USD almost 9 to 43. In that same time frame the GM CEO was low 20's to high 20's in total compensation. That peaked at 29 and then settled back down. Ford also went from Hackett at 17m to Farley peaking at 26.5 in 2023 before coming back down a bit.

So, in a 5 year span that saw RAM/Dodge begin to really struggle form various angles the CEO of Stellantis earned 5 times more money.

No greed involved though.

I'm not one of the people that tend to think CEO's are overpaid and that we should take their money. They can have a HUGE impact on the success of a company. However, when it all shits the bed... well Stellantis allowed that to happen and are paying the consequences. When we're asking Tim Kuniskis about why they can't make a 40k truck and the reasons are:

  1. People don't want them
  2. We can't make money on them
  3. Gov't regulations have added cost

It wouldn't hurt to look in the mirror and talk about the other side of the coin. In that same time frame Stellantis allowed their CEO's pay to increase 5 fold while issues were arising and market share slipping.

But, as always, they won't talk about that other side of the coin. They just want us to lap up their PR spin. It's quite exhausting.

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In a 5 year span from 2019-2024 The CEO of Stellantis compensation went from 8.6 million (Manley 2019) euros per year to 40 million, a little more in USD almost 9 to 43. In that same time frame the GM CEO was low 20's to high 20's in total compensation. That peaked at 29 and then settled back down. Ford also went from Hackett at 17m to Farley peaking at 26.5 in 2023 before coming back down a bit.

So, in a 5 year span that saw RAM/Dodge begin to really struggle form various angles the CEO of Stellantis earned 5 times more money.

No greed involved though.

I'm not one of the people that tend to think CEO's are overpaid and that we should take their money. They can have a HUGE impact on the success of a company. However, when it all shits the bed... well Stellantis allowed that to happen and are paying the consequences. When we're asking Tim Kuniskis about why they can't make a 40k truck and the reasons are:

  1. People don't want them
  2. We can't make money on them
  3. Gov't regulations have added cost

It wouldn't hurt to look in the mirror and talk about the other side of the coin. In that same time frame Stellantis allowed their CEO's pay to increase 5 fold while issues were arising and market share slipping.

But, as always, they won't talk about that other side of the coin. They just want us to lap up their PR spin. It's quite exhausting.

I have a huge problem with CEO pay. I've met or listened to plenty of them. They are idiots who couldn't find their butt from a hole in the ground.

With that said, the facts are it is a multi-trillion dollar business. Cutting the CEO pay down by even 20 million won't impact trucks prices more than $10. I hate that, but it is a fact. The volume, globally, is too high to have much impact.

Most of the automakers jobs are blue collar. The white collar jobs don't make up that much of the payroll.

It does NOT look good when the CEOs are paid that much or given a golden parachute. That's for damn sure.

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That's if we're assuming only the CEO was inflated and overpaid. Dismissing a 5x bump in pay in the same span that RAM and Dodge began struggling and losing market share is slightly dismissive.

His bump in pay also coincided with cutting talent left and right. Which put them in financial trouble which trickled down to the ability to make trucks the way they wanted and then the decisions being made. I would bet turning record profits became Paramount. Which led to a lot of stupid decisions by multiple people not just the CEO.

I guess I'm also saying that this points to a culture problem more than a straight-up CEO pay problem of which Tim K was a member of for all but 6 months. It's very possible that's why he left but he was still present and culpable.

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That's if we're assuming only the CEO was inflated and overpaid. Dismissing a 5x bump in pay in the same span that RAM and Dodge began struggling and losing market share is slightly dismissive.

His bump in pay also coincided with cutting talent left and right. Which put them in financial trouble which trickled down to the ability to make trucks the way they wanted and then the decisions being made. I would bet turning record profits became Paramount. Which led to a lot of stupid decisions by multiple people not just the CEO.

I guess I'm also saying that this points to a culture problem more than a straight-up CEO pay problem of which Tim K was a member of for all but 6 months. It's very possible that's why he left but he was still present and culpable.

You should see the look on the senior Ram team members faces when I mention Tavares. Seething at the teeth comes to mind. I bet they had a drunk fest party when he got canned.

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You should see the look on the senior Ram team members faces when I mention Tavares. Seething at the teeth comes to mind. I bet they had a drunk fest party when he got canned.

I'm sure they did but they put him there lol

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They sell quad cabs. Nobody was buying regular cabs. I hardly ever see them. Dealers tell me they are a really hard sell.

It's because they don't have the stepside option. They will sell tens of them if they make them that way. TENS!

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I'm sure they did but they put him there lol

Oh he wasn’t their choice for CEO that’s for damn sure.

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